Debate prep

So who is going to play whom for the purposes of debate prep?  Here is what I have come up with:

Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Palin
John Murtha as McCain
James Imhofe as Biden
John Thune as Obama



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Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

conversation away from what appears to be a historic bounce for McCain; I never would have thought last Thursday night that we would be in this position.  If he goes up by five tomorrow in gallup, as some have speculated, then we're talking about a 13-point bounce, only to be surpassed by Big Dog in 1992.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:37:48 PM EST

Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

You're basically comparing Obama's convention peak to McCain's convention peak.  We've never had back-to-back conventions before, so looking at past elections isn't terribly helpful.

It's a bounce; bounces fade.  Don't worry about it.


by davisb on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:43:25 PM EST
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Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

I am not really surprised .

The trends favor democrats but John Mccain's chances improved when Obama won the nomination and his chances became greater when Obama didn't pick Hillary Clinton.

I was always of the opinion that an integral part of Mccain's path to victory included Clinton not being on the ticket .

Its hard to go against a man almost all democrats have praised all through out their careers , tying him to Bush is not a strategy that would be enough because I personally don't think many folks would buy it , at least not enough to go over the finish line.

That said  the election is too close to call , it has always been a 50/50 election , I always said there won't be much of an expansion of the electoral map .

Whoever wins OH and CO would win the election , if I was a betting man I would be holding on to my Mccain chips..


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:46:25 PM EST
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if I was a betting man I would be holding on to my Mccain chips..

Not me.  I'm short selling McCain stock right now.  This is the highest that we'll see him go.


by AntiStipes on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:52:07 PM EST
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Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

You would be selling at a lower market price , hold on to it until a week to the election...

Mccain's stock price is under - valued in my view..


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:55:58 PM EST
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Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

Well, he's at a historic peak of 48%.  This would tend to indicate a transient event.  

Looking at tracking polls is almost exactly like day trading...statistical noise is impossible to see until you can look at it historically, after the event in question.

Statistically speaking, I would not be on your side of the betting window.


by AntiStipes on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:06:02 PM EST
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Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

Sure , risks is the surest way to change the situation for better or for worse , I like the idea , most folks would take your advice ...

Could be a transient event , but could also be a permanent altering of the electoral landscape...


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:13:48 PM EST
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Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

By the way Gallup/US today has him at 50.

50 - 46  Mccain/ Obama  Registered Voters .

54 - 44  Mccain/Obama   Likely Voter .

I know you are referring to the daily tracker , I think he  is likely to be higher than 48% by tomorrow morning..

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/el ection2008/2008-09-07-poll_N.htm

Thats almost an 11 point bounce for Mccain in this poll..


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:19:14 PM EST
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Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

It's noise.

God, I get so tired of trying to explain statistics to everyone.

Alright...you win...

You'll do whatever you want anyway.

BTW, I've never seen a positive post from you.  Is that statistically impossible?


by AntiStipes on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:38:47 PM EST
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Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

At some point even an Ostrich picks its nose off the dirt..

If you are incapable of dealing with reality , thats not my fault take it up with Gallup/USA today and other polling outfits....

You don't seem to know much about statistics..


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:47:59 PM EST
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Re: Just trying to steer the (none / 0)

You don't seem to know much about statistics.

Oh, lordy...

Sigh...


by AntiStipes on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 10:14:03 PM EST
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Not surprised after (none / 0)

last Thursday night?

I'm with you on the first point that McCain's chances increased with Obama's nomination not because Obama is necessarily a weaker candidate than Clinton but because of matchup issues.  Obama is unable to take advantage of McCain compared to other Republicans in rural America and McCain is able to compete with Obama's strength among wealthy independents.

The second point about the VP thing, yeah I agree.

The third point, I still have Obama as a 52% favorite as I'm still banking on the next Florida poll; you don't think Palin hurts McCain among Jews (where Obama had not been performing at normal Dem levels), senior citizens, and foreign policy Cubans?  If she doesn't hurt him in Florida, I don't see where else she would hurt, then yeah, it's probably 50/50 with a slight edge going to McCain.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:55:24 PM EST
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Re: Not surprised after (none / 0)

Agree with your points 1 and 2 .

With regards to Florida , I just don't see that as  a state that would go blue and this has a lot with the reasons in your point 1 ( Florida/Pennsylvania are similar for both candidates , a tantalizingly close election that would prove to be hard fought but not enough for both candidates )...

I don't know the impact of Sarah Palin in all of these seperate constituencies but I suspect she would end up being a positive however marginal her impact is going to be on the ticket.

Obama might have picked at 44 - 45% in Florida  .I think its Mccain that has room to grow in that state especially among reagan democrats and the conservative republicans in that state..


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:04:26 PM EST
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Re: Not surprised after (none / 0)

" peaked "


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:05:41 PM EST
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Well if you are right (none / 0)

then McCain is probably a slight favorite and Palin won't hurt him anywhere, if not Florida.

I believe Obama is performing below how a standard dem should perform in Florida because of an underperformance among Jews and senior citizens; that's why I think he's stuck at 45%, McCain was already crushing him among conservative dems and rural Floridians in the state from the polling I've seen.  The reason why I thought Palin would help Obama in Florida is that she would hurt McCain among Jews and seniors, where he had been overperforming.  Obama was already overperforming among Cubans; I cannot see Palin doing anything to help McCain among this demo, especially given its focus on foreign-policy.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:07:57 PM EST
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Palin threw JfJ Under the Bus today (none / 0)

Michael Goldfarb of McCain's campaign said today that Palin the Jews for Jesus guy was speaking that day and did not share his views.

McCain's history of supporting Israel and Palin throwing her church under the bus on this issue won't change the game in FL.


If you had everything, where would you put it?
by wasanyonehurt on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:05:01 PM EST
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Re: Debate prep (none / 0)

Debbie Wasserman Schultz as Palin

No, its gotta be someone western.

John Murtha as McCain

It'll be a Senator that is Democratic and close to McCain for a decade or more. Biden would be perfect, but...

James Imhofe as Biden

This is a off the wall guess, but I'll go with Joe Lieberman.

John Thune as Obama

Good guess.


by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:52:13 PM EST

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The person impersonating Palin will need to be a young, attractive attacker because that is probably how she will engage Biden in the debate after seeing some past Palin debates.  DSW is the only one who seems to fit that mold though I guess Barbara Boxer could as well if you consider California to be Western under your definition.

Isn't Murtha pretty close to McCain, though he's not a Senator.  He seems to resemble McCain the most in terms of style and presentation.

In what way is Lieberman a mirror of Biden. I think the pubs would go with someone incredibly aggressive who knows how to hit the soundbite fairly well.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:04:33 PM EST
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Re: Debate prep (none / 0)

Wasserman can act pretty aggressively, too, and that is also what Palin will do. I know you said attacker, but that point really can't be highlighted enough. Palin plays dirty if she thinks she can.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 08:23:57 PM EST
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Re: Debate prep (none / 0)

how about giving him some debate questions?

which current legislator do you admire most?

Who is on your short list for secretary of state?

What role will the vice prez have in your administration?

What will your first priority be on day one?

Which federal agency has been most overwhelmed by pug hacks and who will that agencies caretaker appointee be?  

what will you offer to bring experienced professionals out of retirement to run 'caretaker' in agencies

What will your standards be for hiring and firing?

Will you put inexperienced friends who've helped your campaign  into key positions without looking for the best talent?  

What are your performance standards?

What do you wish to be held accountable for?

Who is your most trusted military advisor and how broken is our military?

How far have the standards dropped in recruiting Army personnel? What was a passing score when Bush took office and what is it now?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:58:56 PM EST


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